Questions by Hannah Cole, director of the film, to Maria Isabel Pita:
1—How did you get introduced into lucid dreaming?
One night I was in a dream when I suddenly realized I was dreaming! Never will I forget the joy I experienced, and still experience, every time I “wake up” in a dream. I called them “flying dreams” because it was my favorite thing to do. I had never even heard the term “lucid dreaming” until a few years later when I came across Robert Waggoner’s first book. I soon began having lucid dreams on a regular basis, approximately five to eight times a month.
2—In your book you mention both lucid dreams and ‘semi-lucid dreams’ (as you call them), can you explain what a ‘semi-lucid dream’ is and how they are different from a lucid dream?
In semi-lucid dreams, I am in full possession of my faculties—as much as I ever truly am, whether awake or asleep—I just don’t have that “aha, I’m dreaming” moment. A semi-lucid dream feels just like being awake and having a real experience both in respect to my reasoning powers and the environment remaining life-like, with nothing strange happening that might trigger lucidity. Some of the most powerful and transformative dreams of my life have been semi-lucid dreams. I remember them as vividly as lucid dreams, but I am never tempted to fly away from what is happening; I am compelled to live the dream as I would a waking reality experience, and it is invariably for my benefit.
3—Also, within your book you mention characters which you describe as “Lucid Guardians,” can you explain what they are and what impact they have on you within a lucid dream?
From the very first night I began lucid dreaming on a regular basis, I encountered a male dream figure who stood out from all the others. He commanded me to “keep moving forward” as he walked into and through me, during which I experienced what I can only describe as a surge of energy flowing up my spine. I thought I was blessed by two special Lucid Guardians—how I referred to them when talking to other dreamers I felt might be put off by the term Guardian Lords, which is what I soon began calling them. Yet with both these men I felt exactly the same—I basked in an unconditional love I felt had always been there and always would be.
4—You mentioned that you have become a Christian because of your lucid dreams, can you explain why that is? Have your spiritual lucid dreams benefited you in any way?
Yes, the Lord gently, lovingly—with all the seductive mystery of a Film Noir romance—brought me to Him. The Holy Spirit courted me in my dreams in the form of my two so-called Guardian Lords. Until I finally came to understand they were the same divine Person. One night, He breathed on me, told me He loved me, and kissed me. No one in my dreams had ever spoken those words to me, and I actually felt his breath. That morning when I woke up, I finally dared to ask myself, “Could this beloved Guardian Lord of my dreams be Christ Himself?” Following the clues, I discovered what I least expected. C.S. Lewis describes perfectly the shock I felt, except I did not draw back, on the contrary:
The shock comes at the precise moment when the thrill of life is communicated to us along the clue we have been following. It is always shocking to meet life where we thought we were alone. ‘Look out!’ we cry, ‘it’s alive’. And therefore this is the very point at which so many draw back—I would have done so myself if I could—and proceed no further with Christianity. An ‘impersonal God’—well and good. A subjective God of beauty, truth and goodness, inside our own heads—better still. A formless life-force surging through us, a vast power which we can tap—best of all. But God Himself, alive, pulling at the other end of the cord, perhaps approaching at an infinite speed, the hunter, king, husband—that is quite another matter. There comes a moment when the children who have been playing at burglars hush suddenly: was that a real footstep in the hall? There comes a moment when people who have been dabbling in religion… suddenly draw back. Supposing we really found Him? We never meant it to come to that! Worse still, supposing He had found us? So it is a sort of Rubicon. One goes across; or not. But if one does, there is no manner of security against miracles. One may be in for anything.” – C.S. Lewis, Collected Letters of C.S. Lewis
5—I read that you once had a pair of lucid dreams that helped you overcome your fear of death, can you tell me how lucid dreams encouraged you to overcome your fear? Also, I understand that you have experienced both telepathic and precognitive dreams. Have these benefited you in any way and if so how?
I had a handful of dreams with a life-long friend just before she passed away, in one of which I seem to have experienced the last moments of her life. I was standing in a shower watching my life flow away, letting go of everything except a few special items, but it was okay. A golden light appeared on my right, and then a woman appeared on my left and said, “Good job” and I knew she was here to help me. A few days later, I found out my friend’s body had been found in the shower.
My very first lucid dream, decades ago, occurred three days after my maternal grandmother passed away. I found myself sitting across from her in something like an airport waiting room. She looked at me and said, “I’m dead, aren’t I?” and I replied, “Yes, you are.” I then walked around with her through a dark space, encouraging her to straighten her back as I assured her she didn’t need to stoop anymore because she was no longer confined to her physical body. I remember looking down at our clasped hands and thinking, “When I wake up, I will know this was real, not a dream. This is really happening.”
Since my father passed away, I have dreamed with him often. In one lucid dream, he told me something I did not know, and when I spoke to his widow about it, she confirmed it was true.
My lucid and semi-lucid dreams have often been so-called telepathic and precognitive, and it has become abundantly clear to me from my experiences that transcending the constraints of time and space is a natural ability of consciousness—of the soul—which exists and “functions” simultaneously in both a material and a non-material state. My experience with dream sharing—meeting other people in the dream space—is even more evidence that Life is not confined to a physical body anymore than I am bound to my car.
The fear of death is a materialistic illness from which I suffered all my life until I began lucid dreaming as a spiritual practice. Now my life positively overflows with evidence of the soul’s existence. Many would say my evidence is subjective, but since consciousness is the filter through which reality passes, so-called subjective evidence is all we have to be objective about. Anyone who pretends to be completely objective about something is like an actor insisting the stage and everything on it are the only things which can be proven to be real, therefore that’s all there is. This person has forgotten their true much more complex identity, not to mention the Author of the play.
6—In both your book, Lucid Dreams and the Holy Spirit, and on your website, you explain how you used the power of lucid dreams to help cure your tendinitis. Can you tell me a little bit about this and how you used lucid dreams to ease your physical ailments?
In a series of lucid dreams, I directed healing energy into my wrist. For example:
I find myself fully conscious of being awake in a dream where I’m lying on my back on my bed in our bedroom, which is dark. I raise my right hand toward the ceiling thinking, “Make light!” and violet sparkles emanate from my fingertips which delight me, and also succeed in gently illuminating the ceiling, where a circular decorative carving has replaced our actual ceiling fan. I notice then that my right hand is wearing the cloth brace I’ve been subjected to for weeks now… At once, I remember my intent. Raising both hands before me, I point the index finger of my left hand at the junction of my right wrist and thumb, willing a healing energy into it. I’m delighted to see a stream of lovely blue and violet sparkles (I can’t think of better word for them.) I then take the time to remove the cloth brace so it won’t be in the way, and direct the starry healing energy to just above the tender area.
After each lucid healing dream, the flexibility and the strength of my injured tendon markedly improved. After only the first dream, I was able to remove the protective brace I was wearing. I appeared to have reduced the inflammation in a lucid dreaming equivalent of cortisone shots. Each time after I woke up, I moved and stretched my thumb and wrist in ways I couldn’t before, and I repeated these exercises several times during the day, feeling I was helping align my physical body with my dream body so that its healing energy could be more effectively absorbed.
I believe lucid dreaming is well on its way to becoming an important part of how we are able to express our love and concern for others, and not only family members and close friends. It is my experience that attempting to meet other lucid dreamers in the dream space more than once—an activity I have been engaged in for more than four years—seems to establish a “soul connection” through which a healing can take place, whether or not I have met the individual in waking reality.
In a dream where I apparently healed my husband’s blood clot, as well as in a dream where I “worked” on a friend’s brain, I simply knew what I needed to do, and acted on this intuitive knowledge. On both occasions, my dream hands focused and channeled what I thought of as “healing energy.” Now whenever I become lucid, I simply pray for whatever it is I wish to try and accomplish, always beginning with, “Lord, please…” If it is a dream healing I desire to attempt, I focus my intent using my hands in some way.
What happens is a mystery. But though I don’t believe I personally have the power to heal anyone, including myself, in lucid dreams I seem able to consciously assist in healings which occur through the grace of God.
7—Have lucid dreams benefited you in any other way? Why do you feel lucid dreaming is important?
Lucid dreaming can be viewed as a foretaste of the Christian doctrine of the resurrection of the body. In a lucid dream, we inhabit a world created by our waking life memory that is in many respects a glorified world experienced in a glorified body where “matter has turned into soul” as C.S. Lewis puts it:
At present we tend to think of the soul as somehow “inside” the body. But the glorified body of the resurrection as I conceive it—the sensuous life raised from its death—will be inside the soul. As God is not in space but space is in God… This glorification is not only promised, it is already foreshadowed. The dullest of us knows how memory can transfigure… That is the beginning of the glorification… The “real world” of our present experience… has no place in the world described by physics or even physiology. Matter enters our experience only by becoming sensation (when we perceive it) or conception (when we understand it.) That is, by becoming soul. The element in the soul which it becomes will, in my view, be raised and glorified; the hills and valleys of Heaven will be to those you now experience not as a copy is to an original, nor as a substitute is to the genuine article, but as the flower to the root, or the diamond to the coal. It will be eternally true that they originated with matter; therefore let us bless matter. But in entering our soul as alone it can enter—that is, by being perceived and known—matter has turned into soul. – C.S. Lewis, Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer
8—Some people believe that if you focus on your lucid dreams it can cause you not truly to live in the present, what is your opinion on this?
The potential for emotional healing and spiritual growth provided by lucid dreaming is certainly worth spending time on for it has the potential to greatly enhance our present life and even the life to come.
People would be disturbed to see a cat with its whiskers clipped off. Whiskers are part of a cat’s sensory perceptions, a vital part of how it collects information and makes sense of it. Our dreams are similar to cat’s whiskers, and when we cut ourselves off from the information they provide us, when we ignore what they have the power to tell us, we cripple ourselves. No cat, large or small, should have to live without its whiskers. It is just as unnatural, sometimes even dangerous, for human beings to ignore their dreams. Everything we see and experience in our dreams is part of the knowledge available to us. Dreams are an important part of our innate survival mechanism. Our dream whiskers possess the ability to touch upon points in space time we cannot perceive with our waking mind. Dreams can sense probabilities, experience them, and bring them to our attention, enabling us to act in full consciousness with all the perceptive faculties truly available to us.
I spent nearly five years obsessing about becoming lucid at least five to six times a month, for I felt that I could never really be happy again if I lost my ability to dream lucidly. And it was true that my well being depended on the richness of my dream life for it was God speaking to me in my dreams. Although dreams remain a profoundly rewarding part of my life, I no longer feel the need to achieve a certain amount of lucid dreams a month. I am much more relaxed about my practice, which got me where I am now—in a relationship with God through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, my soul’s dream come true that makes everything possible. My life is increasingly full of synchronistic experiences, little miracles, slowly but surely bridging the gap between my waking self and my dreaming soul, a gap widened into a dangerous abyss by the materialistic society in which I grew up. I feel myself becoming increasingly lucid 24/7.
9—Do you have any final thoughts you wish to add?
I should make a slight reference to the structure of my soul. I was raised Catholic, and Christ never strayed far from my thoughts and life. I was baptized, had my first communion and was confirmed. Lucid dreaming returned me to my roots after I discovered within myself the living truth of the Christian mysteries, which from a mere intellectual perspective are called dogmas. My priest understands that my lucid dreams are my special charism. In Christian theology, a charism denotes any good gift that flows from God’s love to humans.